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Reviews For The Bakshi Solution by Tarkas

professor webster
Friday 12th March 2010 13:58
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You make only one error. You say you do not have artillery in this fanfic. You do! What else would you call what Fred & George unleash against that giant? It would work gangbusters as long as the trained people were there & the enemy didn't become aware of what was planned. The surprise alone would make for effectiveness
Dad
Thursday 2nd April 2009 08:14
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I have "Hunter and Maiden" bookmarked on a n old computer and I came to this story.

Brilliant Gung Ho stuff!
Prongs739
Monday 1st September 2008 20:41
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Just a standard basic pre-modern military would have make Voldemort look like a lily.

slightlyemolilly
Friday 13th June 2008 23:13
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id think that voldemort couldn't be killed that easily. hes like a ghost living in different peoples bodys pretty much. i guess if they destroyed all the horocruxes first, and then had him so that he couldn't move or use his wand it would work, but they would never be able to get him like that
dave gerecke
Tuesday 26th February 2008 01:35
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Thanks for posting this on pottersplace 3, I had read this and couldn't find it again.
Now I have it posted on my PDA>
dave
gymnastgal19
Friday 11th January 2008 22:57
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interesting... i had a sneaking suspicion that it would have to do with guns and stuff... it does seem a bit to bloody though...
pyromain
Friday 29th June 2007 16:23
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I liked the story and the use of muggle equipment.
I as a retired soldier like the idea that fred and george hate the inventions the made to win this war. War is nothing to glorify and neither is taking the live of a fellow human.
potters_love_redheads
Monday 25th June 2007 14:31
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That is a very interesting theory.... and while I think it would work I don't think that JKR would use Muggle technology in her stories. One, like you said most wizards would find it beneath them and not bother with it when they find their own wands more reliable and effective. Two, the Muggle way is a bit barbaric and something about killing off Voldemort through magical means (or as I'm thinking, through means of Love and Voldemort's lack of love) is a much more noble and civilized thing for Harry to do. I really enjoyed the story though and I think it would make an awesome ironic ending if Voldemort were to meet his demise through the inventions of a race that he had deemed inferior.
MarkTBSc
Thursday 12th April 2007 16:34
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Tarkas, as a huge fan of the works of John Ringo and David Weber I have to say I love this story. Mixing muggle weapons-tech with magical problems and our favourite characters in this fashion is both amusing and thought provoking. Even if bullets would bounce harmlessly off of wizards, they might be modified with hollow-points filled with poisons or somesuch. When reading 'After the end' by Arabella and Zsenya, I pondered if an A-Bomb could kill Dementors. I'd love to see a more elaborate treatment of this story some time! Thanks for writing it.
Caleb Nova
Thursday 23rd November 2006 22:48
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Why wouldn't it work? I've often thought the same thing. The obvious answer is the willing suspension of disbelief necessary to buy into Harry Potter in the first place- that is, if we're going to sit around and say 'They're just books dude, chill out'.

If not, then Magic becomes increasingly harder to defend. Wizarding society as portrayed in the books is in many ways very backwards. Hermoine spends months sifting through library books looking for what a Wizarding internet could tell her in minutes. Inefficient quills and ink pots take the place of pens. The Magical people of the world are a race both of tradition and of isolation, and their society has petrified, stuck in a psuedo-medieval setting.

It is rather ironic really, that despite tapping into a sort of universal magical lore Rowling presents a universe that is in the end not particularly more desirable than the one in which we exist. One can't help but think this is intentional. Is that a sly wink from the author, that the Muggles who are ignored by their Wizarding counterparts (out of disdain or ignorance) are in fact superior to them? I like to think so. But then, I'm nothing if not a small and vindictive man. The hypothetical concept that us Muggles are better than the smug minority that looks down on us fills me with a sort of nasty glee.

It is that willful ignorance that makes firearms so dangerous to Wizards. You notice how part of dueling as a Wizard is learning how to counter individual spells, how to devise a block and then a counter-attack? All the while remembering the exact motions of wand waving and those multi-syllable spells. It's all wonderfully dramatic. On the opposite end of the spectrum, when someone points a gun at you, you have three choices- move, get shot, or mentally cross your fingers and try to shoot him first. All of which will occur in less than a second. Even supposing some sort of constant and consistent counter could be found for bullets, it would certainly work the first time. I mean, really- how many wizards are going to recognize a 1911 when you stick in in their face?
Saturday 25th November 2006 15:01The Bakshi Solution (Author Response)
Very true. Remember in PoA when the Daily Slander-- er, Prophet described a gun as something like "a kind of wand that Muggles use to kill each other"? No mention that they'd do equally well against a wizard...

I have always contended that, all else being equal, a gun-armed person, Muggle or wizard, will be able to take out a wand-weilding wizard or witch due to the sheer speed of bullets. We know that spells are relatively slow-moving since shields can be cast in response to them, but bullets are supersonic; by the time you know one's been fired, it's already hit you or missed.

Any discussion of Muggle-wizard combat is hindered by lack of detail: do shield spells stop physical objects? If not, the wizards are toast. What is the comparative range of a spell and a gun? After that, it gets complicated as strategic and tactical principles come into play and the type of action, the terrain, the comparative intelligence each force has regarding its opponent, etc., etc. come to dominate matters. Which is why I set up the battle as I did. A second battle between the Dork Lard and his Dung Eaters and a Muggle-equipped force could be very different -- or not.
obsidiana
Thursday 11th May 2006 02:58
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Wow, a bit dark and very stark much as the reality of war is.

I liked that you had Fred and George see the difference between joking and hurting others. I think that was a very true realization they came to and it was well done.

I can't help but think that it would be less destructive the wizard way and that the muggle weapons though effective take all the fun and drama from the story.

It was a well done story, thank you for sharing. I hope the books use magical means to end Voldemort, but it was interesting to see your take on this problem.

Sid
willow
Monday 8th May 2006 14:46
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well, technically, i see no reason why muggle weapons wouldn't work- on the death-eaters at least. The giants may be harder but i guess chemical weapons of some kind )and fred and george) would do the job. Dementors would have to be dealt with by magic... as for voldemort, the horcruxs would have to be destroyed first, although, i guess that seeing as this is pre-hbp then it is feisable...! my main problem with the idea is that harry wouldn't do it- he was having so much issue with meer idea of being a 'murderer' or a 'victim' that there's no way he'd be able to shot down not only voldemort (at blank range no less) but his lackies as well...

...makes for a good story though- wouldn't it be nice if things were that simple ?

tanaxanth
Thursday 25th August 2005 22:42
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Other than it would be a bit too easy and ruin JKR's "vision" it should work :)
malko050987
Friday 8th July 2005 05:51
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Great idea for a story. The reason JK doesn't add muggle machine guns to the Pottervers is that she wants to keep it in the wizarding world, I guess.

One thing disturbed me, though. Harry killed Voldemort in cold blood. I thought he would hjave some restraint, or at least feel ... not guilty... but still, he killed.

Nice story!

-Crs
Friday 26th August 2005 04:06The Bakshi Solution (Author Response)

No, he killed Moldyshorts as part of a pitched battle, in a war situation. It's a different context. Plus, he'd been traiing for that kind of "special forces" mission for several months, so he would have overcome any qualms that way in the course of that time. Tom had to die; Harry is the only one who can kill him -- ergo, Harry has to do it. Once he has accepted that, he can focus on his mission -- and, as an incentive, what waits for him once he's done it, namely . He may well suffer remorse in the future, but just then, having fulfilled the destiny that has ruled his life to that point, all he feels is relief that it's over. Then, oif course, Ginny lands and grabs him, thoroughly distracting him as only she can...

I can understand your point, but by the time the final battle takes place, Harry and his comrades are soldiers and have accepted that to win a war, the enemy must be killed. It doesn't mean that, say, the Twins can't be revolted by the effects of their Chase-Me Napalm, but the very nature of the weapons they are using do not provide for much else in the way of an outcome; there's no Stun setting on an assault rifle.

smdvogrin
Tuesday 21st June 2005 20:10
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A very amusing story, and admittedly something I've thought about before (Wargamer, AF Sgt, and a SciFi/Fantasy reader).

I also try to come up with ideas why my ideas wouldn't work, rather than assuming the author isn't smart enough to come up with my tactics. :)  One explanation for no firearms: Magic interferes with all muggle devices, even chemical reactions.  It doesn't affect people because their magic, even the very miniscule magic potential of muggles, prevents the magical environment from interfering with the body.  (It also could explain why muggle-born students don't just bring pens and such.)

Of course, postulating that the above is true, it should be possible, in theory, to somehow shield muggle devices from such interference, in the same way your magic inherently does for you.  But this would likely involve whole new disciplines of magical theory, and could even prove impossible (it may be that a constant act of will is required to produce the shielding, thus preventing shielding of anything not self-aware).
Wednesday 22nd June 2005 03:47The Bakshi Solution (Author Response)

You may have a point as regards the effects of magic on technology, but postulating something like that opens up a huge can of worms. If magic interferes with chemical reactions, but not those in living creatures, then what about fire? We know that Hogwarts is heated and lit by fires, and ISTR mention of logs and even coal in canon -- how, then, does that work? And pens... what the devil stops a ball-point pen (or even a fountain pen), a purely mechanical device, from working? It's as bad as having magic interfere with electrical devices but not the human brain! You can technobabble your way around it, but it's extremely hard to do so consistently.

Anyway, I'm glad you enjoyed the story. It was fun to write, though my personal inclination in such a situation would be to call in airstrikes!

dave gerecke
Wednesday 8th June 2005 22:07
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Very good. You did what I wondering about. dave
fallenhunter
Monday 9th May 2005 21:54
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I had thought of these same thoughts you went over in your a/n. And I agree, but I had intented to train the DA in their use, and enchant the bullets to be sheild breakers, and never hit a target with a specific symbol (to prevent friendly fire).
But as its been done, nevermind, my muse will come thru with SOMETHING orginal I hope.

Great work.

pwykersotz
Wednesday 13th April 2005 01:15
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In response to your question, two words. Apparating. Imperio. There are many other methods of course, but one wizard could wipe out any number of units with these things alone. If you want to get a bit more creative, a simple charm could be devised to do what Magneto did in X2, and simultaniously pull pins from all the grenades in the army at once. Also, guns might destroy Voldemorts body, but unless Harry uses his own unique brand of magic to kill him, he can always come back.

Regardless though, great idea! This was an interesting story.
Tuesday 10th May 2005 01:20The Bakshi Solution (Author Response)

Well, in response to your first response,another word: Wards. Not too hard to stop a DE from bugging out or even shifting around, particularly if a battle is to be fought at Hogwarts. And in any case, fighting a foe who Apparates around the battlefield is no different whether you use spells or bullets -- except that the bullets are faster! Spells can be seen to move, which suggests that they have a relatively low speed; bullets are supersonic and effectively undetectable: you can't see them and by the time you hear the shot, it's already hit you (or missed).

The Imperius curse is another matter, but again is no different in principle whatever weapons you use. And a wizard or witch using the curse makes him- or herself vulnerable to attack while s/he concentrates on making his target obey his/her will, so it's more of a sniper-type weapon rather than a spell to use in the middle of a pitched battle. Again, there ought to be standard procedures for dealing with the use of this curse in a fight, but wizards don't seem to be all that organised in a military sense.

Still, thanks for thinking about it, and I'm glad you enjoyed the story.

MollyW
Tuesday 22nd February 2005 14:44
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I see no reason why your idea wouldn't work. It may be difficult to get the cooperation of muggles, but I would think wizards could use muggle weapons. Very well written and original story!
Jedione
Thursday 3rd February 2005 12:06
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That's the way to do total annhilation, by heavy weapons!

As I recall there was a disscussion on this about a year ago on the boards (The Final Battle: How would it end.  {or something like that} was the thread title) regarding Harry using muggle weapons.  Actually it started out discussing from magical means and I had mentioned something about why magic at all A we'll Placed LAW shot would finish Voldy well enough, and you just helped illustrate that idea a bit.

Great Job!

jabarber69
Wednesday 15th December 2004 18:59
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That was a really cool ideal. great imagination. I wondered this myself, whey they couldnt use guns to kill the death eaters. but since I am no hand at writing I never put anything down on paper. But this story here is really good, well thought out. I enjoyed reading it....
millercommamatt
Monday 22nd November 2004 12:53
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I've argued this point many time before.  The only problem that I can see with it is that firearms would probably only be effective until the dark wizards under fire figure out how to repel the bullets.  I would think that something as simple as a levitation or banishing charm would be enough to deal with a bullet.  As for things like napalm, a fire freezing charm (see PoA) would render the fire harmless.  Thus, while I think muggle technology would work initally, dark wizards would probably adapt quickly enough to render is ineffective.  As a result, I think that the overall strategic impact would be small despite the entertainment value.  The being said, I hope that you're reading Grindly's stories on this same site.
Monday 22nd November 2004 13:47The Bakshi Solution (Author Response)

I'm not so sure... I think wizards would have one very big problem with bullets -- reaction time. Remember, bullets are supersonic, so by the time you hear a shot, it's already happened -- and the round has hit something. A Charm of any sort won't help, because you'll never get to cast it. The only defence that would be effective that way is a kind of shield that's always up, and that has its own problems -- it's a drain on the user, how does it work (a Levitation or Banishing Charm might be ineffective against a very-high-velocity sniper rifle, for instance) and what other effects are inherent in the spell, just to begin with. We don't know; we don't even know if a standard Shield spell will work against non-magical objects.

I'll grant you the Flame-Freezing Charm vs napalm, though I do wonder if the gel aspect could be troublesome -- but there are such things as Cleaning spells...

Overall, I think that there are quite a few possibilities, but which ones would apply depend on details that we just don't know, and may never know. I wouldn't be so sure of the lack of strategic effect, anyway.

thejacksontouch
Wednesday 27th October 2004 19:03
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lol i loved it
mary-v
Wednesday 20th October 2004 20:57
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You make a very good point about using weapons to defeat ol' Voldie. It is perfectly possible, but I don;t think that JK Rowling will fit guns and stuff into the canon of the books! But this story was just brilliant!

~Maria~ 

m
Wednesday 13th October 2004 00:30
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heh
p0tterfan
Wednesday 22nd September 2004 21:37
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Hmm ... I think this is quite plausible, but unlike by JKR.  Probably because she wants to keep the muggle and magical world totally separate.

But I'll agree with you on that this is quite possible.  Nice story.

Aibhinn
Thursday 1st July 2004 18:03
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I see absolutely no reason why this wouldn't work. Would destroy that pesky brother-wands problem as well.

Wow--from fluff to war story. I can't wait to read the entirety of Hunter and Maiden; I've been waiting for the summer hols just for that!

Aibhinn
Elle C'est Belle
Sunday 27th June 2004 16:46
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wow I loved it this could siriusly be deveoped into a longer more complex story. BUT I really like it how it is. So don't change it!
manwe
Monday 21st June 2004 18:47
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I have often wondered about this solution, but i think everyone knows that Rowling won't do it this way, even though i do think it would work. In GoF she could have had harry just summon the golden egg instead of his firebolt.